045. The Implications of Marijuana Rescheduling for Firefighters [Part 2]

In the second installment of our series with Jon Vought from Rescue 1 CBD, we discuss the evolving relationship between marijuana use and the fire service. The conversation covers legal nuances, state-specific precedents, and the slow shift towards acceptance of marijuana, especially for first responders. 

We can't explore the challenges of marijuana within the fire service without highlighting the benefits of CBD, particularly for sleep and inflammation, given that CBD is legal and THC-free (if you order from reputable suppliers like Jon).

Rescheduling marijuana from Schedule I to Schedule III, while a step forward, is not an immediate game-changer for fire departments.

00:00 Introduction and Legal Landscape
00:29 State-Specific Legal Challenges
01:35 Employer Policies and Employee Rights
04:28 Medical Marijuana Misconceptions
10:27 CBD vs. THC: Benefits and Misunderstandings
16:44 Personal Experiences and Advocacy
20:51 Introduction to CBD Product Line
21:10 Topical CBD Product Details
23:34 CBD Sleep Formula Insights
24:29 Terpenes and Their Effects
29:03 Future Plans and Collaborations
33:20 Closing Remarks and Community Shoutout

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Jon: And, you know, what's interesting, so I, I spoke, um, with an attorney about this, uh, which, you know, if anybody's listening to this and they're thinking about policy in their state or they're trying to go down that route. Talk to a lawyer, not, not us, but you know, the, the interesting thing was when I spoke to a lawyer in Florida about this, they're like, that wouldn't work in Florida.

The precedent, I guess, is different here and the way our law is written. Um, it's, it's weird. So Florida first responder doesn't have that protection and in, for whatever reason, and the law in the state of New York and New Jersey, they do. Now, because of that, Florida, is there's a bill as of last October.

It's been on the floor for almost a year that specifically protects first responders. The same thing Virginia just did. Virginia just passed that law that said first responders are protected and they're allowed to use marijuana despite what their employer has for a rule. They I don't know if it's copied and pasted.

Exactly. I haven't read the entire Virginia bill, but I read the description of it and I did open the bill up and the Florida one's pretty damn similar. So, um, The idea would be if, if a state starts to allow marijuana, whether it's federally legal or not, you could have an employer say, I don't care what you say, this is a condition of employment, so fight me, you know, come at me, what are you going to do about it?

This outlines at the state level saying you can't do that, that's illegal, for that, for that reason, discrimination. So, um, ultimately, I mean, it comes down state to state as of now. And I would even be curious after it becomes federally legal if you'll still see those fights break out in places like, um, Iowa, um, somebody mentioned Indiana, you know, um, allowing first responders to use it or not trying to fight it because you're going to have, you're going to have elected officials at the top of each state going, okay, I didn't want marijuana in the first place, but now it's legal.

Um, So we're going to make sure that our first responders can't use it so that, you know, they're not showing up to work intoxicated, um, which is a very superficial way to look at it. Cause we could be doing that right now with every other medication that we're prescribed and alcohol. So it's kind of, kind of ironic.

TJ: Not the like landslide victory that

Jon: Not really. Um, but it's not nothing, you know, it's a good start, right?

TJ: Okay. So Let me pick your brain a little bit more I am joe schmo working in west podunk fire department. I have a collective bargaining agreement I have a union fairly strong we get along with management We are going to try to push To be able to use Marijuana our state allows it It gets recreational What do I do?

Jon: Well, um, so the, There's, there's a couple of things that would happen. You can try to have open communication with your department and ask, Is this going to get me in trouble? Um, some people don't even want to do that because it puts them on the radar. And if it puts them on the radar, then they're worried, like, are they going to just start drug testing me?

Are they going to try to come after me? Black sheep dying, baby. Um, if, if you, um, if you want to go the very, very aggressive route, which is kind of what happened in Buffalo, There are people that would say, look, I know that I want to take a principled stance on this. I'm going to use this. And if they try to fire me, I'm going to fight them.

And then it starts the cascade that changes everything. Uh, or ignore it. I mean, you know, the, the, the issue with the issue with medical marijuana is everyone thinks it's an actual prescription, but it's not. It's a recommendation from a doctor. It's a loophole. The DEA does not allow, uh, well they used to not allow, like schedule one, uh, marijuana and, um, as a prescription because there is no FDA approved medication for marijuana.

Like, what are you prescribing? You know, it's a plant. So it basically just says this piece of paper says that Joe Schmo is not going to get arrested. for carrying marijuana in this state because the state allowed this doctor to write this and set up a system so that he can evaluate somebody, say that the marijuana is indicated, that he's going to oversee their use, and they have to pay for that right, that license.

The doctor has to pay for a license to be able to do that and the patient has to pay for that prescription yearly. They also won't let you renew your concealed weapons permit if you have that. So, Um, from what I understand, again, not a lawyer, but I've read that, uh, so there are stipulations. So like, because it's kind of a loophole and it really isn't a prescription, all these people that the argument, the argument that firemen make where they, where they say, Hey, how are you going to stop me from getting a prescription from my doctor?

It's not a prescription. That's how, you know, so it's a hard one. But the, the issue would be if it's recreationally legal in your state and you are prohibited from using it, especially if, if it's, um, prescribed. So if it's not recreational in your state and it's only medicinal, it might not be discrimination.

You know, it depends on, depends on what, um, precedent was set in your state or, you know, what laws are in place. But I think it would be even easier if, if it, uh, if it was recreational and you had that prescription. So. I hate saying the answer is it depends, but I mean, it's just, there's, there's so many places that, that have these really strict rules and there's so many places that kind of don't now, you know, like, um, there are departments in Oregon and in California that went to the oral oral fluid test years ago, where you come in and you do a, uh, you go in for random drug testing.

They just swab your cheek. And they're like, Hey, This says that you might have had marijuana in the last 24 hours. Let's draw your blood and they draw blood and They'll send it off and they'd be like, it's a really really tiny amount man. There's no there's no way you're high right now Or they send like a field sobriety officer to your to your station and they do like a like a they're trained I don't know what that test is Everyone jokes are like they put Cheetos in front of you and you do cheer

TJ: I was gonna say, they catch me with my hand in a Doritos bag.

Jon: Uh, so, uh, you know, there's other ways to do it, but if you think about all the shit that people have to write for a policy to be able to do that, they just don't, they don't want to have to deal with that. There's no breathalyzer.

TJ: Yet.

Jon: Like I said, I've talked to a lot of really smart people, and I'm like, how far away are we from this? And they're like, we're not close. I'm like, okay, because I brought up, there's one, I think it's called, like, the, uh, It's a badger, it's a, it's a breathalyzer, it's, um, Ayo, it might be. Anything's a sex toy if you're brave enough.

Um, that's, that's the cold open right there. Cut that clip and open with that shit. Um, God, you can tell I'm about to go on vacation. I'm just like, just let it all

TJ: You are done.

Jon: So, You know, uh, yeah, that thing is off a little bit. Um, it's not as accurate. So, same thing, man. It's like, until we have a whole consensus from the scientific community.

And there are, listen, there are people that want it, man. If somebody can come up with a THC breathalyzer, you will, you're gonna, your grandkids are not gonna have to work. Like, you're gonna be fine, you know.

TJ: Absolute fact. So, wow, we, um, somehow ended 

Jon: Sex 

TJ: delving into the 

Jon: That's where it always goes. 

TJ: But, um, Fucking firemen are firemen everywhere. Regardless of what they're talking about, where they are, it always ends up being something highly inappropriate. But the TLDR, the too long didn't read, for the audience. Hey, we got marijuana.

I say we, the DEA rescheduled marijuana from schedule one to schedule three. Give me the quick synopsis. What the fuck does it mean to us? Boom.

Jon: We have more leverage to talk to our chiefs and to communicate that this stuff isn't, you know, the devil's lettuce anymore. But it does not mean that you're allowed to use it. It doesn't mean CVS next year. You could have a potential for a pharmaceutical company to make it, but it's years away. That's ultimately what it is.

You

TJ: not lawyers. We are definitely, I mean, you're a role model. I'm definitely not. So we're definitely not advocating that you go out and try to. make a grand stand without doing your due diligence. And if you're like that, that man in Buffalo fighting the system, go forth. But we are not telling you to, Hey, it got rescheduled.

Roll up that joint. Show up, you know, with your Dogg T shirt and tell the chief to eat a bag of dicks. Don't do that.

Jon: can do it, just don't say we, don't say we

TJ: Don't lose this awesome. I mean, people TJ told you to do it. Yeah, probably. They'll believe that one. So, okay. Status quo pretty much. Marijuana might be in, might be out, but we have the alternative. Talk to me 

Jon: This is where I wonder what the future holds for CBD, um, because the initial, the initial impression is if THC becomes legal, why do I need to use CBD anymore? Uh, there's two reasons. Sleep and inflammation. THC doesn't help with either of those. The first one, sleep. Man. I, I wish I had like a pre recorded message that I could just play to people.

The older they are, the harder it is to have this conversation. Either because of my age or because they just, they, they have personal experience and they don't want to believe me. Um, they're rooted in their biases, but when I tell them THC is not good for sleep, they think I'm an idiot. And they're like, okay, I don't know what you've used, Junior, but back in my day, I I used to knock the fuck out and I'm like, back in your day, marijuana is 40 percent CBD.

So you didn't know this, but you were actually using a lot of CBD. All these guys, these old timers that use THC now, or they use marijuana, they're like, whoa, this stuff is like crazy stronger. Like, you know what that is? They bred marijuana for years to have less CBD and more THC. This is why you do not extract CBD from marijuana, You would need kilograms, kilograms, and kilograms of flour just to make one kilogram of CBD isolate.

It just ain't there. So, for sleep, um, CBD improves REM sleep overall. It does that in a few ways. Turning off parts of your brain that are talking too loud. And it reduces your body temperature, which are both really important for sleep. Reducing anxiety is good for sleep. And these things are all shown in a lot of different studies.

And then inflammation. THC just does not reduce inflammation. CBD does. So, those two things alone are going to, um, take the cake. What happens, and you know, um, our buddy Sean O'Leary from Pittsburgh, you know, when they first got THC, everyone started using it, like, recreationally. Uh, as well as, you know, for a lot of symptoms of stress and PTSD, Pittsburgh sees some shit.

And, and they have, um, a lot of drugs, you know, and, uh, so they're trying to, like, reduce that. And they did successfully. Their numbers are amazing. But then over time, like Sean told me, I don't use pure THC anymore. He's like, if I want to get good sleep, I have to mix a lot of CBD in with it. It's actually a majority CBD and a small amount of THC.

Um, combine that with the fact, if I really had to blow your mind, that, uh, CBD tends to, The jury's still out, but it looks like it may inhibit some of the THC use. So the reason people might be getting good sleep when they take that combo is actually because the THC relaxes them, but it does not, um, create as much of a high or inhibit your REM like, like it would have if CBD wasn't there.

So CBD acts as that little, uh, I guess, filter, you know, it acts like as a wall to help that, that, to blunt those negative effects. And, uh, especially chronic use of, of THC, it, it just screws up your REM. Um, so, with, with that, I mean, that's, that is why we are the alternative. Is CBD good for pain? Not necessarily.

It's, it's better for inflammation. So if your pain is from inflammation, it's good. But there's where THC really has an edge on CBD. And, uh, you know, along with, like, some of the, the benefits, um, for relaxation and, you know, just like immediate effect, uh, that THC has. So that, that is, that is why we are an alternative, um, to THC.

It's really with those other, those other things that the real reason I think people want THC to be legal is not necessarily because they want to smoke. They want to, you know, use a gummy and get high or whatever. If you've ever been into a dispensary and seen the options that they have and the education and the quality that they have.

That's where people want to, to, to go to be able to ask a question and to say like, hey, I don't want to feel high, but I need something to cut down on my Oxycontin use, my Fentanyl use, or whatever. So, what do you got? By the way, I work during the day. You know? Perfect. Come over here. You know? Or they'll say, hey, I just want to be high.

This is recreational for me. I'm not, I'm, I don't want to buy booze at all anymore. I'm done drinking. I just want to, I just want to be intoxicated from marijuana. When I get home from work and, and have a drink, instead of doing that, I want, but I want to, you know, I want to buzz. Perfect. Come this way. So, that to me is where it, where it's at.

And, uh, if they went down to that level with it, um, I think, you know, people would still have a, have a need for CBD quite a bit. And, um, They just don't know it yet because the education on that isn't there. Everyone thinks that CBD is from marijuana, you know, it's I was just Listening to a somebody sent me one of these videos.

You ever heard of z dog the doctor he does like parody videos

You're gonna see a post I make them I don't know how this is gonna go man, but i'm tearing this guy apart for like 21 minutes

TJ: Fucking do it.

Jon: talking about cbd and I feel really uncomfortable uh, honestly Um, trying to correct a doctor, but he's just flat out wrong on so many things and I bring a shit ton of data and studies that conflict exactly what he's saying, but, um, you know, I guess where I'm going with that is just the education really, I don't know, there's not a lot of people speaking up for the, for the compound CBD and they, they, he was one of them saying like, well, yeah, you know, marijuana, like, Dude They've never extracted CBD from marijuana in in the six years this industry has been around.

We just don't do it It's not profitable. It doesn't make any sense The lack of understanding with that is very very present. So You know as an alternative very good but only for really specific things

TJ: I can definitely attest to the sleeping part of it. quieting those voices in the head. The kind of like, lowering the volume button. And I swear by it because it takes a while to

Jon: Hmm

TJ: the CBD in your body. Especially given the job of firefighters. Especially given the stresses of the job and the strains and everything that we go through.

And once you kind of reach that, that like cruising altitude of like, Hey, I've been doing consistently for a few days. It'll, it doesn't knock me out. But maybe at most 20 minutes after taking it like I brush my teeth, take my little My full dropper and 10, 15 minutes. Sometimes I don't even get to open Reddit to fucking waste some time before I go to bed.

It is just like lay in bed and sit there and just kind of like breathe and listen to the fan. And. It doesn't make me crash. It doesn't, it's not like melatonin where suddenly my whole body feels just heavy. And most importantly, there's no nightmares. I am prone to like heinous night terrors. And when I used to take melatonin, dude, like. The Hat Lady would come out of the wall in the middle of the night and scare the fuck out of me type night terrorists. And the worst part is sometimes like taking it at home and then going to work, those night terrorists would follow me. So I scared the ever living shit out of my shift mates. Hilarious, but haven't experienced that.

Haven't had a single night terrorist since I started using the um, the out of service formula. And um, But also the important part that that I want to reiterate that you mentioned is that the education isn't there. And that's why I feel it's so important to always give you the platform and always have you talk about this stuff.

It's because that first episode 21, when you came on to talk about CBD, I had multiple people reach out. Being like, Hey buddy, you're putting a bullseye on your back for the department. Like you're going to find yourself at headquarters. You're peddling drugs, which if you've known me at some point at any point in my career, I've always been the type that I'm like, I don't want to say like, I don't care, but I'm like, no, I'm just going to say it.

And whatever the fuck happens happens just because I don't have, you know, it's not a crusade. I, I live in that chaos. Like I love it. I thrive in it. And that was kind of my reaction. Like, Okay, like so I'll end up at headquarters and then I'll preach CBD to them. I don't give a shit. But it's that sort of it's that fear.

It is that terror of like, Oh, you're talking about a three letter word that's kind of similar to to THC. Like, Oh my god, like, you're gonna get fired. We can't do this. No, it's it's it all comes down to finding those experts finding the people who have been the trailblazers in this field, and understanding the Where the benefits lie for us and just running with it.

It, the fear has no fear with no information has no room in the fire service and the fear mongering that we've had done to us for generations. Has to go. And it's up to us to do it now. And it's up to us to use these platforms.

Jon: that's what I'm trying to do. And I can't do it without people like you cause, um, it's hard getting, um, the word out organically and unless people talk about it and invite me on and stuff, it, it just, it won't. So I appreciate it. And thank you.

TJ: So give me a quick rundown of the line of rescue on CBD products. I can probably do it on my own, but I mean, yeah, I think I have one of the first cause your topical is now it's, it's not the roll on, is it?

Jon: Yep.

TJ: Oh, you're still roll on. Okay. But there's, okay. Tell me about the topical. Cause that's a newest. I have one of the 

Jon: um, It's 500mg of CBD with arnica, menthol, and, um, we put in there, we tried to make it completely natural, um, ingredients. There are a couple at the very bottom that are, um, like binders, um, and stabilizers. So that all this stuff is homogenous, like properly mixed in there. But if you look at the back of the ingredients, it's CBD, arnica, menthol.

menthol and a shitload of essential oils that that are there to um to give a cooling effect um, and then the heating effect is from like capsicum, so Yeah,

it gets If you put it on and then get you get in your gear. It'll heat up Like you'll feel it. Um Yeah,

TJ: I've kept, um, what's the other one, tiger balm in business for many years with a variety of shoulder issues. And then, you know, my pillows and my shirts and everything starts getting stained orange. Uh, And, you know, you smell like a fucking old person. I haven't had that at all with the topical.

It's that, you know, it's that nice little like, warm,

Jon: the idea That's the idea. But also, we

wanted it to smell good. Um, so, I've screwed with this formula for years. This is the final one that we landed on and I was totally a mad scientist with it. So I was like, putting it on myself. And, uh, I thought there was something wrong with it when I went, I'm sorry, I thought there was something wrong with my foot.

Cause I had foot surgery, I put it on my ankle and I'm running around in gear. And, um, this is like hours, hours, hours. I put it on in the morning and this is like in the afternoon. I was like working out. And I put it on, uh, and I'm in my gear and I'm going up and down the tower. And I'm like, dude, my foot is like really warm.

I'm like thinking, did I, it doesn't hurt. Like it feels good. I just, I don't know what it is. And then I realized, uh, that it kept happening after I put it on. That stuff on so the cooling happens really right away um that lasts for 20 or 30 minutes, but um the capsicum stays on your skin for Hours hours this was like eight or nine hours after and it's consistently for me I've had other firefighters telling the same thing Like if they put this on and get in gear when they start moving around and they get blood flow It'll warm up keep them loose.

So it uh, it's it's a it's a favorite of chiropractors, too Um, so that's our topical. Um You know, the one that you mentioned earlier was our out of service formula, uh, for sleep. And then that's like a 2, 000 milligram bottle. Then we have a 1, 000 milligram bottle. Um, and it comes in unflavored, lemon, and mint.

And, uh, yeah. Uh,

TJ: Lemon's my favorite.

Jon: I actually like lemon more than mint. Um, but people, mint is way more popular. Um, I think it's just more familiar, I guess.

TJ: It's cause they don't know any

Jon: We say,

TJ: Also like when, I was gonna say when, you know, like when you go to a McDonald's and you just take your cup and you fill it with every single type of soda, that's what I do with the lemon and the

Jon: Oh, really?

That sounds weird. I haven't tried that.

TJ: It did. I mean, I did it a couple of times just to see if I could get the ratios,

Jon: Well, so

TJ: not, um,

Jon: we flavor

our, uh, our lemon and mint with terpenes. So I didn't get like lemon flavoring, um, or like anything artificial. It's an extract of limonene that makes the lemon flavor. Um, same thing with mint. So, you know, you can get, um, combinations of, uh, pinene, which is from pinene, you know, and limonene is actually from lemons, even though it sounds like limes.

But these, these flavor profiles are from cannabis plants. Um, we didn't get them from cannabis plants. We extracted them from things like, like, um, Limonene is from, like I said, lemons. If we wanted, uh, the sleep formula, like terpenes that are from cannabis, like mercine, we'd get it from mangoes. It's pretty cool technology that you can extract mangoes, mangoes and hops.

You can get mercine from, and it's got like a sedative feeling to it. So, um, Like I said, straight up mad scientist stuff where we're just trying to get the optimal amount of terpenes in there from plants other than cannabis to keep that distance from THC. So the, the flavor profile of them is extremely natural, but it's also extremely natural.

It either is or it isn't, but it's, it's natural, but it's also, um, It's, it's, uh, it adds to those, to those effects that you get from cannabis, like inflammation and mood. Um, because it is more of a broad, what they call a broad spectrum product where you don't just have the CBD molecule. You have other stuff too.

TJ: So the terpenes, I thought that was the game changer for the out of sleep formula. I didn't realize that it dealt also with the flavor, right?

Jon: Terpenes are a. It's actually what turpentine is made of, and turpentine is a bunch of terpenes. Um, and so if you think about what turpentine looks like, if you concentrated terpenes down, that's what it, that's what it looks like. It's like this really thick, viscous, like oily, nasty looking fatty thing.

And it's got a, uh, um, it's what gives plants their, their smell, but they also happen to have this, um, this effect on, you know, things like your mood, inflammation, or. Um, you're, you're like feeling sedated, just depends on what terpene you're talking about. So like Mercine is a very, um, prominent one in our sleep formula.

That's my favorite terpene for making you feel tired. Um, and so we took that, and that's like the, the most prominent one in our sleep formula, um, along with Limonene, and those two kind of chill you out. So. but they do happen to give a flavor. I wasn't, I didn't know how the sleep formula was going to taste.

I just went and did my research and tried to get as many terpenes that make you feel tired as I could and portion them out of there. And then when we made it, it ended up tasting like lavender. So that's, that's the flavor. It was just, I didn't, I didn't make it like that. The universe did, you know, it's just the way those terpenes just naturally come out.

But yeah, so it is a little bit of a flavor profile and smell, but it really, it's, it's the effect and that, uh, that's the big difference between our out of service and our standard 1000 milligram bottle or what we call our daytime formula. So the nighttime formula has a shitload of terpenes that make you feel tired.

The daytime formula doesn't have those tired terpenes in there. They just have, um, flavor terpenes.

TJ: Yeah. I had the, the daytime formula, my locker at the firehouse, never any issues with it. And it I was kind of baiting, waiting to see what chief would walk by and be like, the fuck is this? No, nobody ever bit. But, um, from a functional point of view, didn't impede any of my abilities didn't impair me didn't do anything.

And the way that I explain it to people is that after using it, right, after building that level in, in the body, I would catch myself being like, hang on, this situation would have stressed me out or given me anxiety a while ago. And somehow I'm just rolling with it. So it's not a quick, like hit you effect.

It's you look in the rear view and you go, Oh shit,

Jon: Right. Yeah. And there's some research that shows as little as 32 milligrams isn't, is enough to reduce anxiety in humans. So that's why we have that thousand milligram bottles, 33 milligrams for serving. So that's like the floor of it. Um, the 2000 milligram bottle, you'll get double that, you get 66 milligrams for serving.

So, um, we kind of cover all the bases there.

TJ: So you've got to get ready for vacation. What's in the future for

Jon: of it. I'm really excited to talk about some

TJ: you can, that you can share.

Jon: um, The next thing's coming up are, um, we're, we're going to start getting into more places. Um, we are getting into distribution a little bit more with like some, uh, chiropractors and working more with like, um, uh, like storefronts like that, which is, which is great for getting the word out.

Um, but also, you know, the, on a, on a smaller level, I'm, um, I'm bringing in people, other firefighters that I've loved and respected for a long time and, uh, that are really, really passionate about this. And for the first time, like I have a team of people, that's all firefighters and that are just, they're going to drive this thing forward with me.

Um, I'm hoping by the end of the year, maybe I'll come on, maybe I'll break the news on your podcast. Maybe I'll be able to keep the promise when we, uh, we're working on some research right now. And I don't want to talk about it, but it's going to be. Pretty awesome. Yeah, I think it's going to be a

TJ: It's gonna be huge. 

Jon: And when, when, when

it finishes up, like, uh, we'll talk about the results on here. Um, if I, if I do it right, I might be able to present it at FDIC next year. Uh, if they'll let me, I don't know. It's not up to me. Um, those two things. Yeah. And not on the business side, I'm really excited to go back on the shift and You know at the end of the year the beginning of next year my fire chief was saying I can come out of admin So if you guys don't know i'm a I'm an admin nerd I wanted to wait, uh till the end of the show to say that so that you guys would actually listen to the whole thing otherwise, you probably just turn it off, but I do work in admin as a captain and uh, so i'm Um as soon as uh spot opens up, which could be at the end of the year Um, my fire chief will let me go back to a firehouse, which would be Awesome, I'm only halfway through my career, so I don't want to spend the rest of it in admin, you know, I want to be out there.

TJ: RIP to your sleep

Jon: uh, it's been over a year, I will say, that, you know, having a regular schedule is good for my circadian rhythm, but, Hey man, uh, juice is worth the squeeze, I love the job, so I really, um, for me it's okay, that's why I take out of service. Shameless plug, buddy. Shhhhaaame. That's what I take

out of service.

You know, like, I do it at work all the time, and guys are like, bitching about their sleep. Like, I just can't. I'm like, wow, gee, if only you knew somebody that could help. You know, I'm like, fucking staring at them. But it's also frustrating for me, cause I'm like, Yeah, how many times you guys hear me talk about this?

You know, like, y'all, you drive me nuts.

TJ: No, no. It's like, it's so funny because it's the clo, the people closest to us are always the last one.

Jon: Yep, I know.

TJ: Like 

Jon: That's alright. Yeah.

TJ: like, almost 10 years for people at my firehouse to start getting my leather work. I'm outfitting entire other battalions. Like, different departments all throughout the country, and they're like, Uh, I guess, I guess, can you make me a shield?

But, can I like, uh, get a discount, and like, get it done ASAP? I'm 

Jon: Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. Sure. Absolutely. No. What else can I do for you? Yeah.

TJ: Right. Where can we find more about

Jon: uh, rescue1cbd. com. That's with the number one. And then our Instagram, uh, rescue1cbd. Again, with the number one. We try to post a lot of stuff on there. Um, you know, we collaborate. We, TJ and I are going to start doing Instagram Lives.

So you guys could follow us. Check that out. Uh, I think we have really good conversation and that's kind of exclusive. That's going to be just there. It's a really good format for that. Uh, we also have a podcast and we put it on our YouTube channel. So anywhere you listen to podcasts, you can listen to the rescue one podcast.

It's a little bit more long form of how we get into stuff, uh, whether it's production, whether it's research, um, just bigger topics. So Instagram is kind of cool. Cause you can get it like in the TLDR version and then the YouTube and podcast, you're like, dude. So, any one of those? Hey, what's up everybody. It's TJ here. Really hoping that you got some awesome value out of the two episodes with John. If you haven't noticed yet, he is ridiculously smart when it comes to all of these things CBD and the legalities behind it all. He is a type of dude who will take a topic and do such a deep dive and want to become an expert. That he makes you understand it. 

TJ: Like he doesn't treat you like an idiot for not knowing he will happily teach you. And he will do it well. That's why I keep going back to him over and over. For, not just this stuff, but things like business, things like career advice. So I'm thankful that he came back and I'm hoping, like I said, that you got some good value out of this. It's kind of. It kind of sucks that. The rescheduling of marijuana from schedule one to schedule three is not going to create the huge landslide change that we expected. 

But I think it's going to open doors and it's going to open the communication between firefighters and municipalities and fire chiefs. To hopefully help bring this highly beneficial. Treatment. To those who need it the most. So, again, not quite what we all expected and or wanted. But it's a step in the right direction. 

And sometimes progress is measured in inches instead of miles, but it's still progress. So. 

Keep fighting the battle, keep doing everything that's necessary to make sure we are taking care of. And just don't give it up. We never thought it would be here. So who knows where we're going to be in five to 10 years? For those of you who are new. At the end of every episode. We do a special shout out to our patriotic community members who have just joined. And the whole point of the patron community is to really take the idea of building resilient. 

Well-rounded firefighters. And giving it a structure and a plan. So as a member, you receive. Incredible workouts that you can do on a daily basis, not just at a gym, but if you have nothing else more than a firehouse, you can get your work done there because physical fitness is the core of what we do. 

But we also take into account things like sometimes we need motivation and sometimes we want to do training and we want to take care of ourselves in terms of mobility and stretching. So. Yes. It is very heavily focused on the physical fitness side of things. Our community, but there is so much more. And the most important aspect is that community. Bit where it's just like-minded firefighters. Sharing a space sharing knowledge information, and all working towards that common goal of being resilient and well-rounded firefighters. So drum roll, please. Let's give a warm welcome and a shout out to chase from Wadesboro, North Carolina, who just joined us. Not that long ago. 

So chase. Welcome to the community. Guys and gals, thank you so much for your continued support for taking the time to listen to this podcast and for just being awesome. Our communities depend on you. 

Our crews depend on you on each other, and it's always humbling and it's always amazing to see so many people. Who share this belief in the stuff that we do. So before I get sentimental. I'm going to sign out, be good, be safe. I'll catch you in a couple of weeks.